WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.001 --> 00:00:08.470 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So it is about three minutes after so i'll go ahead and get started, now I do know, we had 35 people sign up so. 2 00:00:09.370 --> 00:00:13.270 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know my guess is folks will start to come and go, as they please, which is fine with me. 3 00:00:13.870 --> 00:00:21.610 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I prefer these sessions to be really informal So if you have questions you can obviously type them in the chat but. 4 00:00:21.910 --> 00:00:28.990 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I have no problem with you just unmute yourself and asking me a question I that's fine where this is all about back and forth. 5 00:00:29.410 --> 00:00:35.650 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I really like these programs when we are on sites where we can really interact quite a bit with one another, but. 6 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:46.840 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: In a virtual world that's a little bit different, but I do want you to know you should always feel free to to interrupt me or type in the chat or ask questions or do whatever you want to do. 7 00:00:47.650 --> 00:01:05.950 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So this is where we're going to go today the things will look at over the next two hours sort of a self assessment on where you are your pathway what what might be a really good fit for you as far as a job career exploration and then at the end we'll look over some resumes as well. 8 00:01:08.470 --> 00:01:20.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And there we go, I have to get used to zoom because you always have to not click what you're all of your items all over your screen to be able to slide down. 9 00:01:21.160 --> 00:01:35.440 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So this is a we keep in mind all of the GSA events go under our rise code which is respectful inclusive scientific events so we want to obviously show respect be inclusive, speak up act responsibly. 10 00:01:37.060 --> 00:01:48.370 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: As I said, this is sort of where we're headed today so we'll do a career assessment, which is really taking stock of your skills and values and interests and thinking about the type of person, you are. 11 00:01:49.300 --> 00:02:06.790 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Then, at that point you look at pros and cons of each of those various sectors that you might potentially be interested in we'll look at a little bit of career information talk about networking and informational interviewing and then move on to applying and cover letters and resumes. 12 00:02:09.220 --> 00:02:22.090 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So, ideally any job that you might be interested in would be at the intersection of all four of these items, so you want to use the skills that you've gathered from your backgrounds clearly your personality. 13 00:02:22.660 --> 00:02:34.990 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: interests things that you're interested in and values if you can bring all those together you're going to have the best fit for a job and one that's going to make you the happiest because it'll be representative of of your interests. 14 00:02:35.740 --> 00:02:47.530 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: One of the values that I have is being able to be home with my family, so I work from home we're all telecommuting, right now, obviously, due to code for For that reason, but. 15 00:02:48.430 --> 00:02:54.070 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I always telecommutes even before this This is something i've been doing for years because I like to be home with the kids. 16 00:02:56.920 --> 00:03:02.260 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So, as far as skills, when you are pulling together your resume. 17 00:03:02.650 --> 00:03:10.240 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And also just thinking about all the different skills that you have to meet to meet a job description, you want to keep in mind everything you've ever done. 18 00:03:10.600 --> 00:03:20.800 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So coursework projects internships could be you know sports if you've done eagle scouts boy scouts things like that a lot of camping. 19 00:03:21.100 --> 00:03:30.610 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Those are always important to keep in mind, especially if you're applying for jobs where you're going to be out in the field if you can indicate you've got some camping experience great to have. 20 00:03:31.030 --> 00:03:43.060 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So look through skills and think about ones that you've acquired so here's a list of transferable skills So these are all things that you would see in a job posting. 21 00:03:43.630 --> 00:04:02.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And as students, these are all skills that you currently have already earned so you could clearly indicate on a job application or on your cover letter that you've got the skills so clearly communicating you're doing quite a bit of writing speaking listening today. 22 00:04:03.970 --> 00:04:14.980 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Research and planning any sort of presentations at meetings managing your workflow leadership abilities etc So these are all things to keep in mind. 23 00:04:17.380 --> 00:04:22.900 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And a lot of resumes are just going to list skills, like you just saw this list. 24 00:04:23.410 --> 00:04:29.170 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And they'll say things like good problem solving skills good communication skills attention to detail. 25 00:04:29.530 --> 00:04:37.630 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But try to remember that employers always really want to see an explanation of those skills so rather than just saying good communication skills. 26 00:04:37.960 --> 00:04:56.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You want to be able to talk about how you can write clearly listen attentively, rather than just saying good problem solving skills, try to give an example of that so how you maybe got a group or a project back on track, after there had been some issues. 27 00:04:58.390 --> 00:05:08.320 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So for values as you're looking for jobs, as I said, you're going to want to try to find one that's going to share values, similar to what you currently have. 28 00:05:08.860 --> 00:05:13.630 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Or what you are interested in in your life and so here's a list of some values and. 29 00:05:14.380 --> 00:05:22.330 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You want to think about as you're looking for jobs what's going to be a good fit for you, so if you get out of school and you have a lot of student loans, then. 30 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:29.560 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know you're probably going to want to look for a job that's got a higher salary and so that's something to keep in mind there. 31 00:05:30.220 --> 00:05:37.300 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And i'm going to try to take a quick look oh we've had quite a few more people join us, which is great i'm glad to hear that so. 32 00:05:38.050 --> 00:05:42.520 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: For those of you who've just joined us, my name is Jennifer know serena I work with GSA. 33 00:05:43.030 --> 00:06:00.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And I would really love to know what level of your education, you are all in so if you're an undergrad graduates, maybe early career, would you type that into the chat for me, so I know if we have undergrads or grads or early career folks. 34 00:06:01.420 --> 00:06:08.770 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And I was talking earlier to a few people, and I want this to be as informal as possible, so. 35 00:06:09.370 --> 00:06:16.420 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Please type questions in the chat i've got the chat open right in front of me, so I see i've got one undergrad one Grad student. 36 00:06:17.200 --> 00:06:22.600 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: anyone else who's here type in if you're a Grad student it's nice to meet you too caitlin. 37 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:31.300 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So feel free to type in the chat at anytime i'd also said earlier, you know if you have a question always feel free to unmute yourself and ask me. 38 00:06:31.660 --> 00:06:36.910 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I really liked when these are in person, I and we can interact with one another it's a lot easier. 39 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:41.140 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So it looks like we have a couple grads and a few undergrads which is great. 40 00:06:41.530 --> 00:06:51.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So, for those of you who have been in Grad school and undergrad both it could be either one you probably have student loans, when you get out so which. 41 00:06:51.700 --> 00:07:06.550 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Do you think, with a PhD a Masters or a bs where do you think you would earn the most money when you graduated type in is it a bs Ms PhD where do you think you'd have the highest salary. 42 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:12.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: No one's typing anything. 43 00:07:13.900 --> 00:07:20.710 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Ms there we go Okay, thank you PhD so it's actually the Ms surprisingly and we'll talk more about this, but. 44 00:07:21.970 --> 00:07:25.480 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: It depends on the job that's true, it does depend on the job definitely. 45 00:07:25.870 --> 00:07:36.400 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But, in general, your master's degree, is going to be your working degree and so that'll be the one where you're often going to come out and make the highest salary, so we have a lot of folks that will go into consulting. 46 00:07:37.060 --> 00:07:45.670 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Oil and Gas brings that way up if you manage to get one of those jobs because they can start around 220,000 130,000. 47 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:55.240 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And that's with an Ms so that can be pretty high and then with a PhD you often start a bit lower you know i'd say it's depending on the part of the country, it can vary. 48 00:07:55.600 --> 00:08:02.320 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But you know 60 to 80 is the average starting so it's a bit going to be a bit lower than with an Ms. 49 00:08:02.830 --> 00:08:08.650 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So with your values, you want to think about what's important to you, so if you want to be home with your family. 50 00:08:09.580 --> 00:08:16.090 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Some folks really want to stay close to family so consulting is a great opportunity there because. 51 00:08:16.540 --> 00:08:26.770 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you come out with just to be asked you can get a job with a consulting firm you'll do a lot of field work it's a really great job to have as a transition between your undergrad and your. 52 00:08:27.220 --> 00:08:36.640 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Ms so that's something you can look at and they're all over the country which is really great because then you've got that ability to be close to home, if you want to be from anywhere. 53 00:08:38.800 --> 00:08:49.990 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So again, think about your values every organization that you might apply to or university or governments anything is going to have some. 54 00:08:50.290 --> 00:08:57.190 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: mission they're going to have a vision, be aware of what those are and make sure that those fit with sort of who you are. 55 00:08:57.820 --> 00:09:11.110 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: My background is in both archaeology and geology and we'll talk a bit through the day I wish we had a few more people, but in before I introduced myself let's see we have. 56 00:09:12.460 --> 00:09:16.150 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: still small group at this point, but I was actually. 57 00:09:17.920 --> 00:09:27.460 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: A bd, which is all but dissertation twice, so I went through the first time right straight through without taking a break, I went. 58 00:09:28.450 --> 00:09:35.290 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I got my master's degree and was going right onto my PhD and I just really burned out sadly. 59 00:09:35.740 --> 00:09:42.220 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And you know i'd gone right straight through from undergrad and decided to step back and take a break, and I did. 60 00:09:42.640 --> 00:09:47.950 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: and worked for a while and I actually worked for agu, which is another nonprofit and did similar. 61 00:09:48.430 --> 00:09:53.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Things to what i'm doing now actually and I loved it I worked there for five and a half years was great. 62 00:09:54.280 --> 00:10:00.400 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And then I thought you know I really should go back to school give this a try again, so I went back to school, a second time. 63 00:10:00.850 --> 00:10:10.510 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: got a second master's degree Stan was starting on my PhD but sadly in archaeology they don't want you to leave they like you to hang around because. 64 00:10:10.780 --> 00:10:16.420 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: They always need folks to process all of their materials, I was doing my research in Europe. 65 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:24.190 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so i'd run by my committee everything I was going to do get in the field come back and they'd say Oh, you should have also done this or that and. 66 00:10:24.520 --> 00:10:34.840 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So I ended up being there for several years and, finally, just decided to stop so you know, again, you always want to be, that was an introduction to me but back to jobs. 67 00:10:35.800 --> 00:10:48.220 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: After I stopped the second time I went back, I went to GSA and I I love nonprofits you know it's interesting because you never really know what's going to be a good fit for you, but I find nonprofits are fantastic fit for me, I can. 68 00:10:48.670 --> 00:10:55.390 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Teach and interact with students and work from home so there's some great opportunities so. 69 00:10:55.990 --> 00:11:05.350 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: keep in mind, you know salary flexible work hours commuting time sometimes when you're offered a job, you're not able to change the actual salary. 70 00:11:05.740 --> 00:11:19.990 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But you can maybe have more paid time off or flexible working hours or working from home telecommuting, some time so as you look at jobs keep in mind some of these other types of things that you might consider as well. 71 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:23.230 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So. 72 00:11:24.310 --> 00:11:35.140 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Also on any interview that you're going to go on you're always always always going to see this question at the bottom of the screen, which says describe a project in which you demonstrated blank. 73 00:11:35.470 --> 00:11:45.760 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And this again could be going for any job government, industry, academia so then demonstrated leadership teamwork and initiative, etc. 74 00:11:46.150 --> 00:11:51.340 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So before you go to any job interview think about all the different things that you've done. 75 00:11:51.910 --> 00:12:03.910 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: and think about a couple different examples of where you were the major player, the you know, the primary person involved, you did something that you are really proud of it was successful you enjoyed yourself. 76 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:15.340 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You want to sort of think about how you can answer this question, because this will definitely come up and being able to sort of word it out slowly and think about it, ahead of time is a really good idea. 77 00:12:16.540 --> 00:12:27.610 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And for anyone else who's joined us i've let everyone know if you have any questions at all write it in the chat I have it open right next to me or just unmute yourself and talk if you'd like. 78 00:12:29.410 --> 00:12:44.920 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So choose a pathway, so this is something I always do in groups, and I know we've got just a couple of you on at this point what about if we just take a minute or two i'd love to know who i'm talking to so. 79 00:12:45.490 --> 00:12:56.650 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you want to turn your camera on if you'd like to sort of introduce who you are i'd love that you know this is networking is really important, so it's great if you all can get to know each other, a little bit. 80 00:12:57.190 --> 00:13:02.920 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And I see Sydney or cameras on do you want to introduce yourself and say hi and tell me who you are. 81 00:13:06.280 --> 00:13:13.090 Sidney Swearingen: i'm Sydney i'm an undergrad a senior at Davidson college um and. 82 00:13:14.170 --> 00:13:18.790 Sidney Swearingen: They so that's why i'm off the conference, but I just wanted to. 83 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:21.190 Sidney Swearingen: join this to see what. 84 00:13:22.210 --> 00:13:25.300 Sidney Swearingen: It is there are X number wise. 85 00:13:25.810 --> 00:13:27.820 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: What is your area of interest. 86 00:13:29.410 --> 00:13:30.910 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you said that I missed it. 87 00:13:33.130 --> 00:13:34.180 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Within geology. 88 00:13:35.110 --> 00:13:44.740 Sidney Swearingen: Oh um no I studying environmental studies at Davidson so i'm not actually a geology major but I intersection. 89 00:13:45.760 --> 00:13:47.110 Sidney Swearingen: there's a huge between. 90 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:49.510 Sidney Swearingen: yeah mental studies in geology is cool. 91 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:54.220 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Definitely, and actually so i'm in Santa Barbara California. 92 00:13:54.610 --> 00:14:06.550 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And one of the first environmental studies departments in the entire country was here, they have a really great department and I taught there within their department for several years, so it's very, very similar there's a lot of overlap definitely. 93 00:14:07.540 --> 00:14:11.590 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And then, Derek we chatted just a little bit, but do you want to just say hi. 94 00:14:12.580 --> 00:14:32.710 Derek Thorn: Hello i'm Derek i'm I graduated from a small school in Florida called accurate college back in May of 2020 um so i'm trying to figure out what i'm how to navigate on the. 95 00:14:34.690 --> 00:14:38.620 Derek Thorn: Network and how to start a career in a pandemic. 96 00:14:41.260 --> 00:14:43.600 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: it's an interesting challenge isn't it. 97 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.220 Derek Thorn: Yes, it is so i'm just trying to get more information and just trying to. 98 00:14:49.990 --> 00:14:52.360 Derek Thorn: Just figure all this out. 99 00:14:52.540 --> 00:14:59.590 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah no problem that's fantastic i'm glad you're both here and let's see caitlin how are you doing. 100 00:15:00.490 --> 00:15:01.810 Caitlyn Herron: i'm great how are you. 101 00:15:01.990 --> 00:15:02.680 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Very good. 102 00:15:02.800 --> 00:15:05.110 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Thanks i'm still waking up I got my coffee here. 103 00:15:08.260 --> 00:15:10.600 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And yes, you want to introduce yourself. 104 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:22.990 Caitlyn Herron: yeah my name is caitlin heron i'm a first year masters student here at auburn university and i'm currently researching my I guess references. 105 00:15:23.770 --> 00:15:36.220 Caitlyn Herron: More geochemistry and more on the environmental geochemistry side of things, my training was actually in environmental science and soil science, so I live at the weird intersection. 106 00:15:36.640 --> 00:15:37.150 myself. 107 00:15:39.640 --> 00:15:49.030 Caitlyn Herron: I am at the I guess place in my career that I need to start thinking about whether to continue with academia. 108 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.540 Caitlyn Herron: or start moving into. 109 00:15:53.890 --> 00:15:56.230 Caitlyn Herron: A different career pathways so. 110 00:15:56.260 --> 00:16:01.390 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah and everyone it, you know it's it's tough to know what to do, everyone's individual I. 111 00:16:01.900 --> 00:16:12.520 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: introduced myself a few minutes ago, and my first time through I went right straight through I did undergrad and then my my masters and then started a PhD right away. 112 00:16:12.850 --> 00:16:17.290 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And sort of burned out I wish i'd taken a break and work for a little while. 113 00:16:17.680 --> 00:16:29.260 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: going through, and you know you can get a Masters at any point in your life you don't have to go right straight through so it's always good to sort of take stock of where you are and and all your opportunities yeah. 114 00:16:30.340 --> 00:16:31.570 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: awesome yeah. 115 00:16:33.520 --> 00:16:38.950 Derek Thorn: I graduated as a geoscience students i'm very interested in coastal erosion hostile geology. 116 00:16:39.880 --> 00:16:41.470 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: awesome fantastic. 117 00:16:42.970 --> 00:16:46.180 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And let's see Jamie hi Jamie how are you doing. 118 00:16:47.020 --> 00:16:48.220 jamiebraun: hey how's it going. 119 00:16:48.310 --> 00:16:49.510 pretty good thanks. 120 00:16:50.620 --> 00:17:01.150 jamiebraun: Like caitlin i'm also from auburn university i'm a second year Grad student and i'm about to graduate over the summer and coven kind of push my graduation date back a little bit, which is kind of frustrating but. 121 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:06.790 jamiebraun: yeah I studied like GEO morphology related stuff my backgrounds and undergrad was. 122 00:17:07.330 --> 00:17:13.330 jamiebraun: kind of straight geology once I went into my masters at focus a little bit more on GEO more side of things. 123 00:17:13.420 --> 00:17:13.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: haha. 124 00:17:13.810 --> 00:17:20.650 jamiebraun: I still do quite a bit of geology related stuff so i'm kind of I guess kind of flip flopping back and forth between those two. 125 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:32.950 jamiebraun: Generally, after Grad school, I wanted to focus outside of academia, it was cool I was here well not really I don't think in a pursue like a PhD or anything like that. 126 00:17:32.950 --> 00:17:33.370 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah. 127 00:17:33.550 --> 00:17:44.770 jamiebraun: yeah there's no looking into maybe like an industry job or you know little consulting or even a thought of maybe pursuing a lot of grief for like environmental law at some point, you know. 128 00:17:45.850 --> 00:17:49.270 jamiebraun: open to a couple of different things just kind of checking out and seeing what. 129 00:17:49.600 --> 00:17:59.920 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: is excellent, so we have quite a few sponsors for this meeting I don't know if you've looked at the list of sponsors and a couple of those are environmental firms. 130 00:18:00.310 --> 00:18:08.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And I have several of the several mentors from those firms who will be mentoring today and tomorrow for us. 131 00:18:08.860 --> 00:18:24.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And usually if they're sponsoring they're hiring So if you get a chance to come to either the program this afternoon, or we have the man program tomorrow you're welcome to come to either of those and That way, you can have a chance to meet them and talk to them and ask them questions. 132 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:25.630 jamiebraun: Great Thank you. 133 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:33.220 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: haha sure, and I see vicki mcconnell's in here she's GSA is executive director, do you want to say anything vicki or say hi. 134 00:18:36.670 --> 00:18:44.620 Vicki McConnell: Oh hi everyone i'm a little dark i'm on my i'm on my other computer i've got I don't know like eight of them going right now, it feels like so. 135 00:18:45.160 --> 00:19:02.380 Vicki McConnell: Anyway, welcome to the meeting and welcome to the the the geo career session, these are great sessions Jennifer will will be super helpful and if you can make the the mentor mansions or the lips, the can't call it a launch it anymore. 136 00:19:04.750 --> 00:19:13.780 Vicki McConnell: The mentor get togethers they're really great because it really is an opportunity to ask somebody in the business some questions and and it's just super helpful. 137 00:19:14.710 --> 00:19:23.860 Vicki McConnell: And I hope you have a really good meeting if you're presenting at the meeting, good luck that's always a great thing, and if you're not taking advantage of all that great science that's out there. 138 00:19:24.010 --> 00:19:30.820 Vicki McConnell: So i'll kind of run into you in and out during the meeting so take care, everyone I don't want to take up too much your time. 139 00:19:31.090 --> 00:19:31.780 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: glad you're doing. 140 00:19:32.230 --> 00:19:44.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Thank you vicki appreciate that alright well i'm glad I got a few minutes to chat with everyone, and as I said, this is very informal right in the chat you know we can go back and forth i'm here to answer your questions. 141 00:19:44.830 --> 00:19:52.780 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So we'll look at a couple of the various pathways that you could go into one of those being academia so we'll start there. 142 00:19:53.320 --> 00:20:07.000 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so, normally, this is a part of the workshop where I put you all in groups, and we think about what pathway, you might decide to choose so in the chat are you thinking potentially academia. 143 00:20:07.570 --> 00:20:12.190 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: industry, which would include consulting or oil and gas or mining. 144 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:27.040 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: and government is our last one, which would be their state or federal, what are you thinking or do you just not know you can even say i'm not sure yet do you have a sector a pathway that you're thinking about so I sell industry or government. 145 00:20:30.430 --> 00:20:37.240 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And let's see anyone else if you don't have any pathway at all, yet that's fine. 146 00:20:38.350 --> 00:20:46.900 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: i'm actually been interested in extension okay undecided industry or government okay great so sort of all over the place well we'll start with. 147 00:20:47.980 --> 00:20:54.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: academia and so these are some positives of a job in academia. 148 00:20:54.940 --> 00:21:03.010 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The first thing, and some of these you'll be familiar with of course you can get tenure, which is great you get to choose your own research work independently. 149 00:21:03.460 --> 00:21:11.440 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You do enter interact with a diverse community of people at a meeting, such as this you've got access to library computer. 150 00:21:12.280 --> 00:21:23.170 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Sometimes you have additional salary over the summer, you have classes for nine months let's teaching and student interaction, a lot of people I really love working with students and. 151 00:21:23.530 --> 00:21:33.010 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: it's better in person, obviously, but this is still fun it's really great to work with folks, and so this would be something you might think of if if you also enjoy working with students as much. 152 00:21:33.760 --> 00:21:44.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Now there are some negatives in academia as well, which you want to think about so you have very little time for research, you find you have several different jobs, while you're there. 153 00:21:45.190 --> 00:21:55.090 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: and very little time for yourself, you work, a lot of hours in the beginning, I don't know if anyone's Th before but putting together me dicey Jamie shaking his head. 154 00:21:55.390 --> 00:22:03.910 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: it's a growing caitlin to it's a lot of work to put together a class and and even if you're just you know if you're teaching and you're running your own lab or. 155 00:22:04.150 --> 00:22:11.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: or section, those are a lot of work but it's a lot of fun it's really rewarding so it's a great way to sort of decide what you might be interested in. 156 00:22:12.370 --> 00:22:18.040 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So as a teacher you're going to be preparing exams and grading and lectures and office hours. 157 00:22:18.310 --> 00:22:28.180 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: there's a lot of policy meetings in academia and that's something we don't often hear about but there's a lot of bureaucracy and and you know meetings that they have to attend. 158 00:22:28.660 --> 00:22:37.480 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So you have to work as a manager and a teacher, you know you're writing proposals, you may not have that summer salary you're working by yourself. 159 00:22:37.780 --> 00:22:50.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Now, if you know you end up in this arena, and you have lots of folks doing similar things is you, you can set it up where, hopefully, you have some other individuals you're working with but primarily This is something where you're going to be independence. 160 00:22:52.120 --> 00:23:08.050 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: After seven years if you don't have 10 year you can be let go and then there's always that sort of publish or perish and we talked about the salaries, you would want a PhD generally to go into academia, although they do have jobs at a at a lower level, you know, out of masters as well. 161 00:23:10.210 --> 00:23:19.150 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So for government and national lab so with the government, you tend to be hired in you have a lot of job security you've got. 162 00:23:19.630 --> 00:23:25.690 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: A focus job description in that you sort of come in and there's one thing that you're doing and focusing on. 163 00:23:26.230 --> 00:23:41.050 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: there's great hardware shorter work hours management will handle the bureaucracy here so unlike with academia you don't have to worry about that pay raises are based on merit, so any government jobs, you know you might have a. 164 00:23:43.330 --> 00:23:56.290 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: it's great because that salary for that range is the same all over the whole country, so you know what everyone earns and you can easily go from one part of the government to another and stay within say gee nine, for example. 165 00:23:57.820 --> 00:24:06.580 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You find that your pay raises are going to be based on merit there's a lot more group work but there can be some independent work, so this is a nice sort of in the middle. 166 00:24:07.510 --> 00:24:14.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I like to put national labs are certainly in here and for those of you looking for jobs, with just to be as. 167 00:24:14.380 --> 00:24:23.800 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: or an Ms either one think about some of the national labs in the country because they're often hiring, especially if there's some projects that are just coming online and they need a lot of help. 168 00:24:24.730 --> 00:24:38.530 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So keep those in mind and also nonprofits can fit in here too, and all these jobs are a bit more family friendly because they tend to have more standard work hours a nine to five and so that's always really nice. 169 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:47.350 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So now some negatives for going into government, you can be laid off, and you may have to move to a new location. 170 00:24:48.100 --> 00:24:54.340 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you come in, say, studying global climate change and there's a big shift in administration and. 171 00:24:54.790 --> 00:25:08.920 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: They don't believe in it, or there they don't find it to be as important, you may find that at certain times you're hired in to do a particular project, but then you have to completely change what you're working on, so you can find some abrupt changes. 172 00:25:09.730 --> 00:25:23.980 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You tend to be assigned to projects, you have to add senior personnel on and you do right a lot of reports here you're going to have a boss, and so now that you've got the boss sometimes you can have those personality conflicts that might come up as well. 173 00:25:25.630 --> 00:25:30.370 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So now for industry to sort of round out these these three that we're looking at. 174 00:25:31.030 --> 00:25:38.320 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: In industry, you really get to look at some phenomenal data there's some great stuff out there they've got these are the folks that will have the money. 175 00:25:38.590 --> 00:25:48.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So their hardware is going to be phenomenal their software will be phenomenal so you'll be working at doing a lot of teamwork as well there's often a bit of travel. 176 00:25:49.630 --> 00:26:01.810 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: They have a better work life balance than academia, but it can be more than in the government's I would say your work hours you know when you're just getting started you're going to work quite a bit more. 177 00:26:02.500 --> 00:26:10.600 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: This is going to have your highest salary, if you can get into industry that's going to be the best way to go and there's always upward mobility as well. 178 00:26:11.800 --> 00:26:15.700 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And i'm going to do a quick chat on check on the chat nope we're good. 179 00:26:17.110 --> 00:26:25.690 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Alright, so negatives for industry could be there's a negative societal view of both petroleum and mining and so that's one way to think about it. 180 00:26:26.800 --> 00:26:37.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You may not get to choose what you're working on there's limited locations, so you know if you're oil and gas you're probably going to end up initially in Houston which you may or may not like. 181 00:26:38.260 --> 00:26:49.570 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: and job opportunities can be limited now with consulting there's generally quite a bit out there, so there's a lot to think about under consulting, but I would say, with oil and gas they're definitely limited. 182 00:26:51.610 --> 00:26:59.380 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So how do you get the inside track on the job if you see if you know something that you're interested in how are you going to get there. 183 00:26:59.800 --> 00:27:11.470 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And there's a lot of different ways, you can do that one is with an internship some people do consulting volunteering there's also informational interviewing which we'll talk about that in a little bit as well. 184 00:27:14.740 --> 00:27:16.720 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so, for internships. 185 00:27:17.830 --> 00:27:30.880 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you have the opportunity, if if you've has anyone done an internship if you have say yes or no in the chat but if you've done an internship they're fantastic to take advantage of. 186 00:27:31.600 --> 00:27:38.740 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So I do see several yeses that's wonderful, these are a really great way to get your foot in the door. 187 00:27:39.070 --> 00:27:48.070 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And I see Jamie did one with usda so any government work is great, if you want to go into the government's once you've worked in the government it's easier to stay with them. 188 00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:55.450 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And with these internships, a lot of them can lead to jobs, so keep that in mind GSA does have. 189 00:27:55.750 --> 00:28:11.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The geoscientist in the park and Jia core America programs, those are internships were over the summer you're out on federal lands so keep those in mind and keep your eyes open, you can always if you are thinking about you know, maybe going into. 190 00:28:12.910 --> 00:28:17.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Consulting, for example, if you have an environmental background in particular. 191 00:28:17.410 --> 00:28:28.660 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, over the summer, you might have some environmental firms in your area and you might be able to talk to them and see about potentially working with them, so you know the internships could be really any place. 192 00:28:31.210 --> 00:28:35.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So for informational interviewing I don't know if you've heard of that or not. 193 00:28:36.280 --> 00:28:46.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But the idea here is it's a really good way for you to sort of get to know a little bit about a company and an individual and what they're currently doing. 194 00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:57.550 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So this is a conversation with someone who has a job that you are interested in so maybe you're interested in consulting so you contact someone from a consulting firm. 195 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:06.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Let them know you're interested in what they are doing you'd love to know more about it and you set up a meeting with them and go to their place of work and see them. 196 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:11.740 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: This can be again usgs industry governments really anywhere. 197 00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:21.190 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And it's really a great way to it's an informal interview, so you know you want to dress appropriately and be ready for an interview have your resume with you. 198 00:29:21.520 --> 00:29:37.450 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But it's a lot less stressful it gives you a chance to just sort of ask some questions and see someone in their work environment ask you know get feedback try to find out, you know where the trends are and what's happening in that that area and where they're going to be going. 199 00:29:38.890 --> 00:29:46.120 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I would say, definitely look at your network try to find a contact and your network, if you possibly can, so you can name drop. 200 00:29:46.480 --> 00:30:00.460 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If not you can contact someone cold as well, and just let them know you know who you are what you're interested in and see if there's any way you can meet up with them always again arrive early dress appropriately and have your resume with you. 201 00:30:01.630 --> 00:30:14.200 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You can talk about background training baby any particular information again future trends and sort of see where the that fields going and what suggestions, they might have for you. 202 00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:25.270 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Why would people want to do this, I have no trouble finding mentors mentors love the professionals really enjoy talking to students. 203 00:30:25.750 --> 00:30:40.240 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: and helping folks out, and so this ability to give back and people love talking about themselves as well, so that's helpful they're always looking for fresh talent so you'll find that that most individuals you contact will be eager to sit and chat with you. 204 00:30:41.380 --> 00:30:42.160 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: and 205 00:30:43.210 --> 00:30:52.690 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So that the next part of career exploration i'll talk about there was a summit where they had 40 employers, all in the geosciences. 206 00:30:53.020 --> 00:31:02.650 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And they asked these employers what they were looking for in new hires so this summit was supported by nsf organized by the two folks you see on the screen. 207 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:12.730 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And they did do a webinar of this with American geosciences institute or agi they have a whole bunch of webinars which you can take a look at, and so you can. 208 00:31:13.180 --> 00:31:18.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: check this out there if you're interested but here's what the employers said. 209 00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:30.220 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: They did say first of all, they found a slight disconnect between the students coming out and the skills they had versus the skills that they were looking for in who they wanted to hire. 210 00:31:30.700 --> 00:31:41.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So they said that they were looking for written and oral communication just the capacity for learning and someone being adaptable and willing to change and so. 211 00:31:41.830 --> 00:31:58.480 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, demonstrating that your students and that you're willing to learn and you're willing to make changes are always great things to show the sit there looking for a more of a systems approach programming simulation data skills Problem Solving critical thinking. 212 00:31:59.650 --> 00:32:10.000 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: They will, with as far as the training and the specifics they're willing to train you so they can help you there and what is the system's approach so. 213 00:32:10.750 --> 00:32:21.280 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: One thing that i've noticed that's been really interesting so when you are an undergraduate and you're learning in a class and maybe you go out with a group of students into the field. 214 00:32:21.700 --> 00:32:34.330 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: or some field camps will do more of a regional view and they travel a lot, whereas some you spend a lot of your time really looking at one cross section, so this is more of a regional. 215 00:32:35.110 --> 00:32:53.680 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: or a systems approach so you're looking at lots and lots of integrated backgrounds over a broad area, and so, for oil and gas, in particular, that this is what they do, they always look over a very, very broad regional area and they don't really zero in as much as we do in academia. 216 00:32:55.360 --> 00:33:14.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So they're willing to train you and also in the future, they see programming languages being really important fields, being more data centric and visualizations and and simulations really coming into play, more and more so, I would say, the more. 217 00:33:17.710 --> 00:33:27.010 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Computer languages computer knowledge, you know visualization simulation simulations so software, the more you know, the better. 218 00:33:28.030 --> 00:33:39.070 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you don't have the skills we'll get to that in a second I guess it's the next slide, but there are ways to get these skills, if you don't currently have them so we'll talk about that in just a second. 219 00:33:40.030 --> 00:33:49.930 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: advice for students from the employers were be ready for a really dynamic career, we find that careers are really rapidly changing there's a lot of growth. 220 00:33:50.380 --> 00:33:57.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You can easily apply what you've learned in the geosciences to other areas so keep that in mind. 221 00:33:57.760 --> 00:34:11.830 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And you want to be able to talk to people outside of your field as well, so biologists oceanographers engineers, you know you always hear about from consulting how different geologists and engineers are and we use different lingo. 222 00:34:12.490 --> 00:34:17.350 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: different terms, but you want to be able to talk to one another out on site and understand each other. 223 00:34:18.520 --> 00:34:25.630 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You definitely always want to show interest when you're in an interview it's stressful but you know if you can sort of show that. 224 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:31.720 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You can step out of your comfort zone, and you can be excited and interact well with them that's really important. 225 00:34:32.290 --> 00:34:42.670 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Also, employers are excited to see that you've gotten something done so on your resume and we'll go through resumes and just a little bit it's really important to. 226 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:51.370 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you've analyzed any data if you've presented data here at a meeting, for example, either in a poster or a technical session and oral session. 227 00:34:51.760 --> 00:35:07.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: it's important to show you've got something done so on your resume you want to indicate, you know that you not only analyze that data, but that you also presented it and gave that information back to your scientific community, which is the ultimate goal for science, obviously. 228 00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:19.150 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so, if you don't have some of these skill sets but you want to get them here some ways, you can do that so academic enrichment. 229 00:35:19.450 --> 00:35:28.330 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you're an undergrad you can always take classes and other areas GIs, for example, I if you can get a class in GIs I highly recommend it. 230 00:35:28.630 --> 00:35:38.620 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: that's something that a lot of employers are looking for now if you've already graduated and you're no longer at the University, you can take classes as a non degree seeking students as well. 231 00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:49.990 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So if there's any coursework you want, you can do that experiential learning so internships research projects if you're an undergrad and you're wanting to work on research. 232 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:58.060 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: faculty and Grad students all have research that they're working on and trying to write up and analyze they're always looking for help. 233 00:35:58.420 --> 00:36:04.060 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So you can always if you want to get involved, you can reach out to folks in your department and do that if you'd like to. 234 00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:11.620 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: professional development, which you can get you know here at a meeting by presenting, but also through short courses, we have. 235 00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:26.860 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: All of our section meetings and our annual meeting there's lots of short courses all very specific to very various topics, so if you want a GIs class, for example, you can usually find a course on GIs that you could take as well. 236 00:36:28.150 --> 00:36:35.260 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: outreach is always really helpful any leadership that you've got you can get that through organizations like GSA. 237 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:45.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Ai PG a lot of organizations are looking for students and master students undergrad or masters to serve on committees and. 238 00:36:46.180 --> 00:36:51.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: get to know the organization, a little better and determine where it's headed in the future that all looks great on your resume. 239 00:36:52.000 --> 00:37:08.500 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: mentoring is always great and if you're a Grad student, you can always met her in undergrad students undergrads can also mentor other undergrads depending on if one's coming in and you're maybe further along So these are all ways that you can expand your skill set if you'd like to. 240 00:37:11.050 --> 00:37:20.140 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Another thing that's really interesting to do if you're sort of not really sure what your interests are and maybe what might be the best. 241 00:37:20.830 --> 00:37:30.430 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: job for you, where you're headed I would consider looking at an individual development plan some universities are now using this as. 242 00:37:31.120 --> 00:37:36.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Something for their grads are there undergrads when they exit when they leave the department. 243 00:37:36.700 --> 00:37:47.770 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So for an IDP this one is actually from AAA is so a 's if you go to their website and do a search on the IDP you're going to find this individual development plan. 244 00:37:48.160 --> 00:37:58.630 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So they have a whole series of questions that you answer and I went through and did this and they're all on skills and values and interests, so a lot of things we've been talking about. 245 00:37:59.290 --> 00:38:09.430 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And then they give you a variety of careers that they think would be a good fit for you, based on your answers to the questions and it was interesting because my. 246 00:38:10.150 --> 00:38:20.350 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: suggested career was exactly what i'm doing it was outreach teaching, which is perfect and then they'll give you the ability to sort of set goals and. 247 00:38:21.550 --> 00:38:35.500 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: come up with a plan, and they have you can set it so maybe every month or so they check in and kind of prompt you to make sure you're sticking with it, but it's interesting to go through and take a look, so you might check that out. 248 00:38:36.640 --> 00:38:50.920 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The other thing is agi again merican geosciences Institute, they have career campuses which are really cool they're on a variety of careers they've got an environmental consulting is in their hydrology is this one. 249 00:38:51.730 --> 00:38:59.740 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I think they've got maybe 12 or 15 of these that span sort of abroad geology arena, so you might take a look at those. 250 00:39:00.160 --> 00:39:12.130 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And they you see undergrad Grad and PhD are here and they're showing you for your undergrad things that you might think about you notice on for all of these actually like first aid is on here. 251 00:39:13.150 --> 00:39:21.220 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: At the as Bob fundamentals, which is your GI T or your geoscientist in training Those are all things you might think about. 252 00:39:22.120 --> 00:39:30.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: They also say, if you notice under i'm looking at undergrad here can you I don't know if you can see my cursor are you able to see my cursor. 253 00:39:30.610 --> 00:39:35.440 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: at all, yes, oh perfect wonderful that's great thanks Jamie and so, if you look there. 254 00:39:35.980 --> 00:39:46.270 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: down towards the bottom here it's got you know, a writing class outside of your discipline in either business or environmental law if you get a chance to take that take advantage. 255 00:39:46.630 --> 00:39:54.520 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So you know, this does give you some ideas of things that you might think about, so this is another place that you might gather some information. 256 00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:04.450 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Networking is obviously going to be extremely important, because you know it's not always what you know it's who you know and networking. 257 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:17.560 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Networking is really helped me get almost every job i've gotten it really, really helps and a lot of these communities are smaller than you might think a lot of folks know each other and so that really helps as well. 258 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:26.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So when you're at these meetings you know this one's virtual, obviously, but once we're back to in person, I would always as much as you can go up and. 259 00:40:26.500 --> 00:40:33.610 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Talk to professionals and interact with them and try to get to know them, and especially if they're in an area that you're interested in. 260 00:40:35.650 --> 00:40:42.070 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The idea of an elevator speech, so we always spend in this workshop a lot of time networking. 261 00:40:42.430 --> 00:40:51.280 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And when we're in person, and sadly it's harder for us to do that now I love to put you all into groups and have you guys get to talk to and get to know one another. 262 00:40:51.820 --> 00:41:01.210 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And you know that's obviously this is the part of your network here you're probably all going to see each other at meetings for years and years and years, and so. 263 00:41:01.570 --> 00:41:06.610 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: it's great to sort of get to know one another, but an elevator pitch is really. 264 00:41:07.030 --> 00:41:15.850 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The idea is you're going to be in an elevator for about 90 seconds, and so you should be able to say you know who you are what your interests are. 265 00:41:16.270 --> 00:41:34.720 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: What you're hoping to do in the future and about 90 seconds, which goes really quick if you time yourself, and so I do you like to try to do these times, which can be a little tough would anyone like to do one you don't have to, but if anyone wants to you're welcome to give it a try. 266 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:37.780 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Now that's fine no worries. 267 00:41:40.090 --> 00:41:40.660 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So. 268 00:41:41.950 --> 00:41:50.680 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Your elevator speech is going to be a bit different than if you did say a presentation, for your research lab or something within your group of colleagues. 269 00:41:51.310 --> 00:41:59.800 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: One of the problems with for scientists, is that we have a lot of knowledge and we want to impart that knowledge on our end user. 270 00:42:00.160 --> 00:42:07.240 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But that's not the way the public looks at things so scientists, you know when we're writing a professional article. 271 00:42:07.660 --> 00:42:15.880 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: We have a certain formula that we use to write that article, and we start with background in details and we end up with conclusions at the very end. 272 00:42:16.240 --> 00:42:22.690 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The public wants that that flips they want to know right away what's the conclusion what's The bottom line, who cares. 273 00:42:23.110 --> 00:42:30.400 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so you know you do get this sort of disconnect between the public and scientists who like to go into a lot of detail. 274 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:41.590 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So when you're giving your elevator speech you don't want to go into a ton of detail initially because you're not really sure what the interest is of that individual even at a meeting, if you were. 275 00:42:42.700 --> 00:42:52.780 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Presenting a poster and someone walks up to talk to you and ask you questions and says, you know tell me about yourself, you want to be able to come out with that sort of 92nd. 276 00:42:53.290 --> 00:42:58.510 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: here's what who I am and what i'm interested in So these are really good to practice. 277 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:04.990 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And if you're going in for an interview, a lot of times you're going to start with an HR person. 278 00:43:05.530 --> 00:43:13.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And we're going to talk a bit a lot about resumes actually most resumes go through HR and not through geoscientists. 279 00:43:14.170 --> 00:43:25.870 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so you're going to find a lot of folks you talk to in job interviews may not be geoscientist so you're going to have to really get to just the higher level picture of what you're doing, and not the detail. 280 00:43:27.910 --> 00:43:40.480 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so we'll see if anyone wants to do an elevator speech you're welcome to but you don't need to at this point, I would say it's important to practice so if you do get a minute to do one I highly recommend it. 281 00:43:43.210 --> 00:43:56.200 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So with that we'll move on, I, like the the resume part of this workshop the most it's my most favorite so i'm going to go quickly over resumes CVs and cover letters. 282 00:43:56.650 --> 00:44:04.990 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And then we're i'll actually put some on the screen and we're going to talk about what's good and what's bad about these various CVs and resumes. 283 00:44:05.680 --> 00:44:11.770 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So the idea with the resume as a resume is going to be relevant it's only going to be pertinent to the job. 284 00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:16.960 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Whereas the CV is going to be comprehensive, so it's really sort of everything you've ever done. 285 00:44:17.740 --> 00:44:35.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: that's going to be academia related, in particular so CVs will be for academia resumes are going to be for industry for government you're going to use USA jobs has anyone used USA jobs have you started using it, yes or no, if you want to just type it in the chat. 286 00:44:38.770 --> 00:44:46.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Yes, a couple yeses good okay USA jobs takes for ever to go through, it is a. 287 00:44:46.750 --> 00:44:49.000 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Really long process, they want. 288 00:44:49.210 --> 00:44:59.980 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Everything you've ever done they want months takes a really long time when I filled mine out, I had to like pull out all sorts of files and go back over all my classes and. 289 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:11.440 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So you really want to give yourself a lot of time to get started on USA jobs and that way when you do find a job, you can very quickly sort of pull that resume out. 290 00:45:12.070 --> 00:45:22.360 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I highly recommend right within USA jobs they have a resume builder I would use that resume builder for any government jobs you're going to apply to. 291 00:45:23.290 --> 00:45:34.870 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The reason is they're really looking for a specific formula in these resumes and those months and and a lot of that information that you put in USA jobs they want to see all of that. 292 00:45:35.290 --> 00:45:46.120 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So this is going to be way, more than one page, I had a good friend who kept applying and applying and applying to jobs, with the Federal Government and wasn't getting hired wasn't getting anywhere. 293 00:45:46.540 --> 00:45:53.920 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: She ended up asking a friend of hers or you know she networked and found sort of a colleague who was working in the government. 294 00:45:54.250 --> 00:46:05.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: asked for a copy of that resume set her resume up in the exact same format so nothing new just a reorganization of her information and she got an interview. 295 00:46:05.620 --> 00:46:14.770 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So your resume with the Federal Government is going to look quite a bit different than industry and then from academia so each one will be different. 296 00:46:16.870 --> 00:46:37.390 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: and very time consuming as far as using USA jobs definitely so the resume puzzle, what do you put on your resume and you know there's I would say, obviously, when I leave out high school, of course, unless there's something really phenomenal that you want to bring up that you did. 297 00:46:38.590 --> 00:46:47.920 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, an eagle scout, for example, that's something you would have worked toward for much of your life, you could certainly have that on there, if you want, if you're, especially if you're going to be out in the field. 298 00:46:48.790 --> 00:47:01.330 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Do you want to put hobbies on, I would say, if you have the room sure why not, it should go at the very end of your resume if you're out of space that might be one of the first things you drop if you run out of space. 299 00:47:01.720 --> 00:47:13.120 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But you know it can help i've heard stories that you know again another friend i've done these workshops for years and years now, so i've heard lots of really great stories from folks as they've been looking for jobs. 300 00:47:14.560 --> 00:47:14.950 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But. 301 00:47:16.030 --> 00:47:21.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I have another friend who was going for a job and his he's really interested in ballroom dancing. 302 00:47:21.580 --> 00:47:29.260 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And I guess like competes and all sorts of things and so he had that on his resume and it just oddly turned out, he was going for a job with slumber J. 303 00:47:29.680 --> 00:47:44.740 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And the person who interviewed him also did ballroom dancing, of all things and somehow they got to talk in and everyone was more comfortable and it really worked out, so you know again if you can put up, you have the space put them on it certainly wouldn't hurt. 304 00:47:47.380 --> 00:47:52.210 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So there's a couple different types of resumes, this is a chronological resume. 305 00:47:52.720 --> 00:48:00.760 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so, these are really going to be good for someone who's been in the field, for a very long time in this one particular field so. 306 00:48:01.090 --> 00:48:11.440 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You see this header says technical excellence here so it's all technical they've got research and lab manager and consultant, so a lot of sort of research type. 307 00:48:11.830 --> 00:48:25.060 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Things all in this one heading, you also notice that this is in chronological order so they've been in this field for several years they've been building up you know, several different jobs that they've done they've got that steady work history. 308 00:48:26.140 --> 00:48:36.850 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: With a skills resume this is another type of resume you can use I like these, a lot all except for I don't like the condensed work part at the bottom. 309 00:48:37.330 --> 00:48:43.360 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But I think this is important to show, because you need to remember as you're applying to jobs. 310 00:48:44.020 --> 00:48:53.140 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Consider everything you've done, you know all of your various classes you notice in this skills section there's programming listed with a variety of bullets underneath. 311 00:48:53.470 --> 00:49:03.370 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: data analysis teamwork so keep these things in mind that you've gained from all the classes that you've taken and these can all be put onto a resume. 312 00:49:04.270 --> 00:49:17.950 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: My resume is sort of a it's both of these actually a little bit, and I really like this, like the qualification summary up at the top, I have something similar to this in my resume. 313 00:49:18.430 --> 00:49:27.880 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And that's because I did, I have two masters degrees and for both of those I taught for a lot of years, so I have a lot of teaching and research and publications. 314 00:49:28.240 --> 00:49:37.000 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But then, separate from that i've also got a lot of nonprofit work and things in that arena as well, so my resume has several different parts to it. 315 00:49:40.090 --> 00:49:52.660 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So here's some guidelines for a resume we're going to go over all these bullet points as we go through, but first of all, you know one to two pages in length if you're a little further on in your career having two pages is fine. 316 00:49:53.710 --> 00:50:05.980 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: one page would be great, but you don't have to have just one page you want it to be neat and clean always have someone else look at it, to make sure there's no typos because sadly we do get those pretty often. 317 00:50:07.720 --> 00:50:18.520 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Each resume that you do and again we're talking industry with a resume every single one is going to be completely different, so you really want to cater it to the job. 318 00:50:19.030 --> 00:50:28.180 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: A job description is going to have words in it and we'll look at a job description in a second and you want to grab those words from that job description and put them writing your resume. 319 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:43.330 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You want to have active verbs highlight all of the skills, you have by quantifying them and we'll see that in a second and always always always have someone proofread it separate from yourself just to make sure you're good. 320 00:50:44.530 --> 00:50:56.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So now we'll talk about all of these so here's a job description you notice that this individual has all of these things in red they've been able to. 321 00:50:57.400 --> 00:51:01.600 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: These are skills that they've gathered as they've been working or going to school. 322 00:51:02.350 --> 00:51:14.140 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: As the higher something is in a job description, the more important it is to the company so field documentation is the first one, we see and read that's The thing that you're really going to want to highlight in your resume. 323 00:51:14.860 --> 00:51:27.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And you want to put these words directly into your resume so wherever you apply government, industry, most resumes are going to go through sort of a filter initially. 324 00:51:27.850 --> 00:51:38.680 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: A lot of these you're now submitting them virtually and through that filter if they don't see key words, then they discount your resume and put it to the side. 325 00:51:39.190 --> 00:51:50.590 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So it's extremely important to grab these keywords from this job description put them in your cover letter put them in your resume, just as they appear in that description. 326 00:51:54.400 --> 00:52:05.440 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You also want to use active verbs they have a lot more they're more exciting and they're stronger, you know conducted managed, etc, make sure you use those. 327 00:52:05.770 --> 00:52:14.440 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You also want to quantify things whenever you possibly can, so you notice example one they are indicating what they analyzed. 328 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:25.540 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But, so what who cares and then you notice there's that second sentence that says how they use that information and what they did with it so quantify whenever you possibly can. 329 00:52:26.020 --> 00:52:40.870 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Also use numbers whenever you can, and you know normally when we're writing anything zero to 10 or zero to nine is written out, whereas here on your resume you want to actually use numbers, so that they stand out a little bit. 330 00:52:43.060 --> 00:52:55.450 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so, as I said, we'll talk more about resumes but here's a CV we'll kind of move on from resumes but we'll see more and talk about a more so for CVs, what do you put on do you put hobbies on. 331 00:52:56.560 --> 00:53:06.670 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, again, you can put hobbies on a CB a CV is really going to be more for academia and so it's specifically going to cover all the presentations you've done. 332 00:53:07.090 --> 00:53:17.500 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: All the you know any organizations you belong to all the the research, etc, so this will be really geared specifically towards academia. 333 00:53:19.180 --> 00:53:24.130 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So it's going to be a comprehensive list of everything you've done teaching, research publications. 334 00:53:24.640 --> 00:53:31.210 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: With all of these you want to think about your headers and we'll talk about that in a minute, as we see some more resumes. 335 00:53:31.870 --> 00:53:47.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You can have multiple CVs depending on the type of job you're applying to you know applying to an r1 more of a research institution versus one that's going to be more teaching like a liberal arts college your resume is going to be a little bit different. 336 00:53:48.520 --> 00:53:59.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: postdoc work if you end up doing that it can be listed in several different ways and i'm sure you all know, when you've got your publications on there you're always going to bold your name and those publications. 337 00:54:00.820 --> 00:54:06.220 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So that's CVs and we'll see a CV in a few minutes and cover letters. 338 00:54:06.700 --> 00:54:16.150 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So when you're looking at cover letters remember again, you want to go right to that job description pull those words out put them right in your cover letter, as well as your resume. 339 00:54:16.690 --> 00:54:27.520 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: This is going to be where you'll show them how well you right so make sure that you spend a little bit of time on the your cover letter to make sure it looks well, it looks well, it looks good. 340 00:54:29.500 --> 00:54:35.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And I like to give myself a little bit of time and do some research when i'm writing a cover letter. 341 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:45.280 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: it's important for you to show the company that you're really interested in them and you've done some research on them, so there is this planning and research phase here. 342 00:54:46.060 --> 00:55:01.810 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So, first of all, as you're writing this you do want to have a plan, and if you want like a letter of recommendation or have someone look your cover letter over make sure you give them some time so that they have a chance to look at it. 343 00:55:02.500 --> 00:55:15.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: always do your background research on every company so Federal Government companies nonprofits every place has a mission and a vision, make sure you know what those are. 344 00:55:16.150 --> 00:55:25.360 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you're looking at let's say an environmental consulting firm, you can go online and do some research on them and find out who the geoscientists are that work there. 345 00:55:25.750 --> 00:55:35.530 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I would learn who those people are and what research, they do what their backgrounds are because you always want to think about how your background is going to be a good fit for them. 346 00:55:36.160 --> 00:55:45.880 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: but also how you're the best person for the job, so you know, this is a good way, if you do your research on the company to show how well you're going to fit in with them. 347 00:55:46.660 --> 00:55:55.810 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And whenever you can name drop do it definitely helps So if you can do some networking and managed to get a contact at that company, maybe. 348 00:55:56.260 --> 00:56:05.680 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Even if you do it cold, you could go do an informational interview and get to know that person, a little bit and then, when a job does come up, you can name drop that person's name. 349 00:56:08.470 --> 00:56:16.480 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Right, a goal sentence so think about you know what is your goal, where, why would you want this job, where do you see yourself professionally. 350 00:56:16.990 --> 00:56:27.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know how is this going to help you how are you an asset to the company and so think about all these various things and try to write this up in your cover letter. 351 00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:38.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You want to think about your value to the company take an inventory of all the skills and accomplishments and things that you've had and make sure that they're all outlined in that cover letter. 352 00:56:39.490 --> 00:56:45.310 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: When you do that think about all of your courses you've taken research your personal life. 353 00:56:45.940 --> 00:56:55.510 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, again any sort of field experience or camping anything you've got that's outdoors, especially if you're looking at environmental consulting that's a great idea to mention that. 354 00:56:56.140 --> 00:57:06.190 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And everything you put down, you should ask yourself that so what you know you want to make sure the information you list is is something that they're going to need and not extra. 355 00:57:08.410 --> 00:57:15.280 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So, for example, if you might list coursework hydro geology and geochemistry classes well, so what. 356 00:57:15.790 --> 00:57:26.980 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, again here's that impact and results, so now, you could say these this coursework has equipped me with the theoretical basis for modeling and an introduction to software packages. 357 00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:42.940 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So, again don't just say, these are the courses, I took so what list the courses, you took and make sure that for everyone it's it's important that we see that link to that job description and how that course is going to fit in with that job in particular. 358 00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:49.390 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So here's the cover letter format standard business letter format. 359 00:57:50.710 --> 00:57:58.210 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: here's the body of this cover letter you notice up at the top and our opening paragraph we very clearly name the position. 360 00:57:58.870 --> 00:58:07.900 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I bring this up just because it's a GSA and variety of places i've worked over my career i've looked at resumes and i've done hiring. 361 00:58:08.290 --> 00:58:16.960 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And it's interesting because you pretty often find folks who will really be applying for tons and tons and tons of jobs right in a row. 362 00:58:17.380 --> 00:58:27.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And sometimes forget to change, you know the name of the company they're applying to, for example, or the name of the position they're applying to sounds kind of silly but. 363 00:58:27.520 --> 00:58:34.420 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: When you're busy and there's a lot going on these things happen so do make sure you read these over and that the information is correct. 364 00:58:35.110 --> 00:58:44.380 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Always name drop if you're able to and always talk like show the company you've done their research your research on them. 365 00:58:44.770 --> 00:58:53.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: That you know you're a good fit for them, that what they do is interesting to you and then have your goal statement here as well. 366 00:58:54.280 --> 00:59:08.170 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And does anyone have any questions you're always, as I said, welcome to just ask or type in the chat if you want as i'm going through when we see the resumes that's when we always have a lot more questions, but if you have any go ahead and write those in. 367 00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:16.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so, now we move on to the body of your cover letter, so this is where you're going to actually go through and. 368 00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:29.170 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Take all those various skills and qualifications and talk about how you're the best fit for the job, make sure you highlight your assets and how you're going to be a good fit. 369 00:59:30.190 --> 00:59:41.470 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And I see a question and i'll get to that in one second and provide examples of your work, so you know again courses and field work and research should a cover letter b this short. 370 00:59:41.950 --> 00:59:49.660 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: No, it doesn't have to be and, for you know my cover letter is closer to two pages it's a page and maybe three quarters. 371 00:59:50.080 --> 00:59:58.060 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And if you really have a lot of qualifications for that job and your backgrounds and it's going to be longer that's fine. 372 00:59:58.570 --> 01:00:11.050 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: that's not a problem they're going to spend time looking at your cover letters, so you know if it goes past a page that's Okay, if you can keep it to a page great, but if it goes past a page don't worry. 373 01:00:13.150 --> 01:00:19.300 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And then, for your closing paragraph you really want to just sort of summarize thank them and follow up. 374 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:32.770 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So with resumes cover letters CBS you're going to revise these lots you'll change them quite a bit you want to have lots and lots of time for review. 375 01:00:34.090 --> 01:00:50.500 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You want to get as many people's feedback, as you possibly can get as well, and then for a quiz just you know to sort of bring us to a close, for this section, the purpose of a resume is to get you a job is that true or is that false, would you think. 376 01:00:54.520 --> 01:00:55.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: true or false. 377 01:00:57.040 --> 01:01:06.640 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So this one's actually false because the resume really just get you an interview, so you then need to take those extra steps and just. 378 01:01:06.700 --> 01:01:15.070 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: wow i'm at your interview couple of interview tips, I would say, more and more we're all doing virtual interviews. 379 01:01:15.580 --> 01:01:19.900 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Wherever whatever type of interview you're doing if it's virtual over the computer. 380 01:01:20.380 --> 01:01:32.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, take a few minutes to stop and look around you and see what's behind you let everyone around you know what you're doing that you, you know that you've got an interview going on, you know you don't want. 381 01:01:34.660 --> 01:01:41.920 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: For example, one student I was taught are so the second part of this workshop I always have employers come in, when we're in person. 382 01:01:42.430 --> 01:01:49.390 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And the employers have talked over the years about some really interesting things that they've seen in interviews and one of those was. 383 01:01:49.750 --> 01:01:58.570 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: They were doing a sort of screening interview with someone who had several roommates ended up going into the closet and closing the door. 384 01:01:58.990 --> 01:02:14.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Just to get some quiet so nobody walked in and the girl had her panty hose hanging behind her and they wasn't aware that they were back there, so you know, again, you want to sort of look behind you see what's there, there was another interview where. 385 01:02:16.120 --> 01:02:26.650 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: It was an academia and so the Professor was saying that they had a person come in, who got up gave you know, usually you'll do like a 45 minute presentation about your research. 386 01:02:27.130 --> 01:02:32.290 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And this person was really, really, really nervous hadn't stopped to sort of look themselves over. 387 01:02:32.650 --> 01:02:41.110 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: and sadly their short tail was sort of their fly was unzipped some and the short tail was sticking out which really awkward really uncomfortable. 388 01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:52.780 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: No one said anything, no one knew what to say so, you know before you go in for an interview stop kind of take a look at yourself in the mirror and make sure everything's put put away near where it needs to be. 389 01:02:53.170 --> 01:03:05.620 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: you're all fully covered every place always try to arrive early because you know you want to have time to relax once you get there, because the more stressed, you are they can sense that if you can. 390 01:03:06.100 --> 01:03:11.380 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: kind of take deep breaths and make yourself calm and not run in at the last second you're going to feel a lot better. 391 01:03:12.610 --> 01:03:19.570 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So a resume is a description of everything you've ever done that's also false it's that's a CV. 392 01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:36.520 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: or resume is really just about that one particular job you're applying to and they're very different each time so clearly number three is false, as well, you see the pattern here and then resumes and CVs are interchangeable with which they're not they're very different from one another. 393 01:03:37.780 --> 01:03:44.530 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so now what whoops final tips first so individualize your letter to each company. 394 01:03:46.240 --> 01:04:00.760 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You I do find that if you can put a person's name on there really helps For those of you who have applied with the Federal Government oftentimes their ads will say, do not contact the person who's doing the hiring. 395 01:04:01.330 --> 01:04:08.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I would contact them any way what's the worst that can happen, so another story that happened there was. 396 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:18.310 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: A person who worked for denali National Park, and they were hiring a geoscientist and there was a woman who had applied for the job. 397 01:04:18.910 --> 01:04:30.700 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: She had submitted her resume to HR but didn't have all those keywords in it and so HR had kicked her out of the initial pass on that job. 398 01:04:31.030 --> 01:04:43.150 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But she had also sent her resume to the geoscientist so you can do research in in the federal government, you know who's in a particular office if they won't tell you who the hiring. 399 01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:56.770 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: geoscientist is, if you knew it was say at denali National Park, you could then go online and look and do research and find out who those geoscientists are do some research on their backgrounds. 400 01:04:57.700 --> 01:05:05.920 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, and then try to make sure you get a copy of your resume to that person as well, and in this particular case she did that. 401 01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:14.290 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And she was perfect for the job she did end up getting it in the long run, but they had to indicate to HR that she needed to come back into. 402 01:05:14.620 --> 01:05:24.970 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: That pool, even after they had weeded her out, so the more people, you can get your resume in the hands of the better the more names, you can have on the better. 403 01:05:25.540 --> 01:05:37.900 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So standard business format, concise and always review as well, so revising it is stressful takes a long period of time, but ultimately it gets you a job. 404 01:05:38.860 --> 01:05:52.180 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Alright, so here is our first resume, so this is two pages there's page one and there's page two so i'm going to go ahead and put this on page one. 405 01:05:52.750 --> 01:06:06.520 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: keep in mind that the average person looks at a resume for 30 seconds that's it 30 seconds, but I will give you why don't I leave this here for a minute. 406 01:06:06.940 --> 01:06:15.730 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And then i'll start talking again and i'd love for this part of our workshop I think it's good if we can interact quite a bit more so. 407 01:06:16.180 --> 01:06:30.850 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, put your questions in if there's something you see here that you are confused by or don't understand let's talk about it so i'm going to go ahead and start a timer and stop talking for a few minutes and give you a chance to look this over. 408 01:07:28.240 --> 01:06:56.000 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Okay, so that's been a minute, so now i'll switch to our second page and i'll just do 30 seconds, this time, so 30 seconds for this one. 409 01:06:56.001 --> 01:07:01.640 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Okay that's 30 seconds so we've looked at this for a minute and a half now and. 410 01:07:02.660 --> 01:07:14.390 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Again, the more we can interact here, the better, I see a new message yay is this back of the previous resume no this one's not different, this is the back of the previous resume so they had two pages. 411 01:07:15.560 --> 01:07:25.910 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So what do you think of this resume let me go back to page one, there we go, so any comments. 412 01:07:27.170 --> 01:07:33.860 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Questions anything you saw that seems confusing or a little odd something you're not sure about. 413 01:07:36.260 --> 01:07:39.890 jamiebraun: yeah I thought that education was kind of bloated. 414 01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:41.390 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah. 415 01:07:41.660 --> 01:07:52.340 jamiebraun: I have a lot going on with it, and especially the coursework part it kind of goes back to that whole thing where it's just throws a bunch of words there with no real mention of why it actually matters. 416 01:07:52.790 --> 01:08:03.620 jamiebraun: Exactly i'm not really sure who like who this guy's trying to get a job at you know I think it's the kind of like generic resume that he would have sent to like 100 places and hope something kind of stuck. 417 01:08:04.040 --> 01:08:04.970 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Exactly. 418 01:08:05.060 --> 01:08:12.530 jamiebraun: That was one of the problems with my resume that I had people kind of point out that the coursework was kind of just like okay there's that but, like what does it do for you. 419 01:08:12.680 --> 01:08:20.840 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah yeah no I agree completely and you know you notice this education portion will first of all start with the. 420 01:08:22.040 --> 01:08:29.150 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Let me back up even further number one, these are all real resumes, by the way, as we go through these you'll see, this is a real resume. 421 01:08:29.780 --> 01:08:41.810 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The name and an address have changed, but these are all real you read this objective sentence from this objective sentence you're really not sure what kind of job this person wants. 422 01:08:42.380 --> 01:08:47.120 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Their education takes up a bit of the page too much probably. 423 01:08:47.690 --> 01:08:56.540 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And you know again you're not really sure so there's a PhD in physics okay great and they've had all these classes, but what are what are they doing and. 424 01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:05.300 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know you don't ever want to just list all your classes like this Member you want to sort of tie it to a skill that they're looking for in the job description. 425 01:09:06.440 --> 01:09:11.150 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: um any other questions or comments or things that you noticed. 426 01:09:13.610 --> 01:09:18.950 Derek Thorn: wasn't really a central theme to it like it was all very scattered really. 427 01:09:20.810 --> 01:09:31.400 Derek Thorn: Excuse me there, I really wasn't relevant to anything like um he talks about how he was a black belt and then he's a patty but he talks about on how. 428 01:09:32.630 --> 01:09:34.520 Derek Thorn: He was a ta multiple times. 429 01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:41.840 Derek Thorn: So it was just very awkward to read. 430 01:09:42.380 --> 01:09:50.060 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah yeah I agree with this, and one thing that's interesting about this as well, is that if you look at page two. 431 01:09:50.660 --> 01:09:57.530 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So the job that this person has spent the most time talking about is that revenue officer job. 432 01:09:58.040 --> 01:10:06.170 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And my guess is that's not where this person wants to work right because they've got a PhD in physics so they're not going to stay with the irs right. 433 01:10:06.650 --> 01:10:24.110 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So why isn't you know the Grad research and teaching those should be the jobs that are sort of flushed out more and have a lot more information to i'm not revenue officer now as far as when you should list something on your resume you know if you. 434 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:36.020 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: done lately, you know, held a job down at a grocery store or starbucks let's say for the entire time you are an undergraduate or even two years or one year. 435 01:10:36.440 --> 01:10:43.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And you want to demonstrate that you've got some employment, you can always towards the bottom of your resume if you have the space. 436 01:10:43.790 --> 01:10:54.530 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, you can list these jobs that you've had especially you know if you've done any leadership like management or training or anything like that that's great you should have them on there. 437 01:10:54.860 --> 01:11:05.060 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But you don't want a lot of information on them, I would say you want something a little smaller like this teaching assistant research assistant or it's in there, but it's condensed. 438 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:10.310 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And what you really want to have more information about is. 439 01:11:10.940 --> 01:11:24.500 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: what's going to be pertinent to the job so i've worked with lots of students, I work I review resumes as well, so any of you are welcome to send me a resume at any time i'm happy to look at it and give you feedback I don't mind at all. 440 01:11:25.370 --> 01:11:29.600 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But, looking through resumes you know it's really important to. 441 01:11:31.070 --> 01:11:38.990 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Make sure that you really stick to what the jobs looking for and I got where I was headed. 442 01:11:42.500 --> 01:11:43.370 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: it'll come to me. 443 01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:56.540 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: My my tiredness on this end starting to sink in you want to stick as closely as you can to the job description and make sure that everything you have is as partners as possible. 444 01:11:57.080 --> 01:12:09.680 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So let me run through some of my comments on this, so I certainly had brought out this education section and the coursework so that's important that's something you wouldn't want to list on your resume. 445 01:12:10.670 --> 01:12:16.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The other thing you don't need on resumes is months, you can leave the months off. 446 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:30.530 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Now that's not true of a government resume, as I said, you want to build things right in the USA jobs portal using their resume builder so the month stay on there, they need those but industry. 447 01:12:31.130 --> 01:12:40.190 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Even academia they're not going to need them so industry, in particular, you can take those months off the date should often be off to the right here. 448 01:12:40.670 --> 01:12:48.320 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: That this person is a lot of white space, so you know you can bring your margins out a little bit to fill a little bit more of this page. 449 01:12:49.070 --> 01:13:01.700 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You also notice that down here this heading says work experience and that doesn't tell me anything someone should be able to look at your resume and get to where they need to get very quickly. 450 01:13:02.270 --> 01:13:08.810 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So I my background is I mentioned earlier, was archaeology and geology both. 451 01:13:09.350 --> 01:13:21.710 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so I did take a class on doing like a museum display and when you walk up to a museum display you're supposed to be there 3030 seconds, people are supposed to get the idea from that display. 452 01:13:22.100 --> 01:13:33.800 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Your resumes very similar 30 seconds, they need to be able to understand who you are and what your background is and the way you do that is through headings, just like in a museum display. 453 01:13:34.220 --> 01:13:45.950 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So work experience that doesn't tell me anything but if this said technical experience or maybe you know in my background i've got teaching i've got research. 454 01:13:46.280 --> 01:13:56.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I have management, so I have a management experience section a teaching experience a research experience and then i've got all those different jobs. 455 01:13:57.410 --> 01:14:05.210 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Or, or you know projects or school work that i've done underneath all of those headings organized. 456 01:14:05.480 --> 01:14:20.510 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So you don't have to be in chronological order you want to organize under headings that are going to be relevant to that job so someone can look at your resume right away, see that you've maybe maybe you have a field experience section and a. 457 01:14:22.040 --> 01:14:35.090 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: lab experience and so they'll see that you've been in the field and you've done a lot of lab work or maybe it's research experiences a heading, you know again choose those headings carefully and make sure they demonstrate your background. 458 01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:47.570 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The other thing here is that if you look under this job graduate research assistant, these are not always listed in a in a consistent way. 459 01:14:48.230 --> 01:14:58.550 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Let me go to page two so you notice that we've got the name of the job, and then we have an italics where it is name of the job in italics over here. 460 01:14:58.970 --> 01:15:05.210 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, you want to keep your formatting consistent through the entire resume, and so the formatting is not consistent. 461 01:15:05.990 --> 01:15:20.060 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: they've got lots of bullets here, so when you look at this, you know my it doesn't nothing jumps out at me right away, other than work experience and his name at the top, which again doesn't tell me very much. 462 01:15:21.500 --> 01:15:39.830 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You want to watch those words that you use as well, you notice that, like under teaching assistant, it says graded work sets you know, and I think again, you want to try to use those active more powerful verbs so you can always do researches online for active verbs to give you good ideas. 463 01:15:41.120 --> 01:15:48.290 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: As I said when I talked to students usually coming out of their undergrad they say well you know what is your work experience well I don't have any I haven't worked at all. 464 01:15:48.740 --> 01:15:58.640 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But you can still really thoroughly fill a resume every time that you've been in the field that you've done research that you've presented. 465 01:15:59.030 --> 01:16:07.190 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: All those things from all the classes you've ever taken those can be on your resume and especially if they're going to pertain to that job. 466 01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:22.160 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So you know those are the types of things that you can have in here, and so you could have you know, a field experience section and if you've been in the field, you can list those times you've been in the field, and what you did, while you were out there, what skills you've gained. 467 01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:39.050 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Let me go to page two, we do have this interest section, and as you heard you can sort of leave this or not leave it I would you know if it's pertinent to the job you could certainly have these in, but if you're out of space I wouldn't worry about it. 468 01:16:40.130 --> 01:16:46.370 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So any other questions on this resume before I move on, or any questions that you have at all about anything. 469 01:16:47.420 --> 01:16:49.040 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: we're working experience. 470 01:16:50.300 --> 01:16:53.540 Derek Thorn: um I have that in my resume I can send it to you. 471 01:16:53.900 --> 01:17:03.470 Derek Thorn: uh huh my know talks about like internships like work experience internship internship internship internship um as well as. 472 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:06.260 Derek Thorn: A teaching assistant ship. 473 01:17:06.290 --> 01:17:09.140 Derek Thorn: Okay, would I choose my i'm. 474 01:17:10.790 --> 01:17:13.760 Derek Thorn: Heading title or would that be fine with the work experience. 475 01:17:13.790 --> 01:17:21.260 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So when I review resumes it's really important I can't just look at a resume I like to ask lots of questions as I go through it so. 476 01:17:21.980 --> 01:17:37.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: This is sort of how I would go through it so just very quickly we don't have to go into a lot of detail, but each of those internships, where are they research related or were they field work or were they teaching. 477 01:17:38.360 --> 01:17:42.830 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Where they lab What did you just really quickly what backgrounds. 478 01:17:43.610 --> 01:17:47.900 Derek Thorn: Very um with the internship and when I had an internship. 479 01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:56.960 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Okay, so I would organize it so if let's say you have a couple internships and you know, maybe one you're doing a lot of research. 480 01:17:57.320 --> 01:18:05.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Maybe another there's a lot of field work, you know they might all be different so it's good to sort of organize those under what they're what you're doing. 481 01:18:06.230 --> 01:18:18.140 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So again, technical experience is going to sound a lot better as a heading than work experience, because it shows that you've done some research research and you've got a technical backgrounds. 482 01:18:19.130 --> 01:18:33.530 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Research experience field experience those all sound better than work experience, so you can organize those a little bit under a heading we're gonna send you my resume of course yeah no i'm happy to look at those. 483 01:18:35.510 --> 01:18:38.480 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I think i've got it at the end and I will. 484 01:18:39.620 --> 01:18:44.900 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: put it in the chat, let me just do that really quick now my email address. 485 01:18:46.310 --> 01:18:48.530 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I have to be able to type to do that haha. 486 01:18:51.350 --> 01:19:01.670 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah there we go and i'm always at all of GSA section meetings we have four or five or six section meetings every spring and I go to all of them. 487 01:19:02.150 --> 01:19:12.800 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So you know, in the future as you're looking for jobs at any time, you can always come find me and asked me to look at a resume and i'm happy to do it, so you can send them at anytime that's fine. 488 01:19:14.660 --> 01:19:26.300 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So let's move on here is our next resume we've got 123 pages on this one we go back up again, so why don't we do. 489 01:19:27.530 --> 01:19:34.940 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Time let's do 30 seconds on each page so only 30 seconds, this will go pretty quick and start. 490 01:20:12.230 --> 01:20:21.290 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Alright that's 30 seconds, so now i'm going to go to page two of the same resume and i'll do another start. 491 01:20:52.460 --> 01:21:00.500 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Alright there's 30 seconds so i'll stop again and 30 seconds on the last page and start. 492 01:21:32.870 --> 01:21:46.160 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: All right, that was 30 seconds on each page, so let me go back to page one, what do you think Does anyone want to comment or throw anything in the chat. 493 01:21:46.820 --> 01:22:01.850 Derek Thorn: it's very repetitive, he says management throughout project lifecycle and then later on, he read on iterate the project through life cycle, so you should just combine the two together. 494 01:22:02.150 --> 01:22:07.340 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yep yep that's true for sure it's not organized very well at all. 495 01:22:09.290 --> 01:22:10.580 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Any other comments. 496 01:22:10.940 --> 01:22:13.070 jamiebraun: I was just gonna say the organization is. 497 01:22:14.630 --> 01:22:15.110 jamiebraun: weird. 498 01:22:16.370 --> 01:22:24.500 jamiebraun: It just kind of just kind of throws you into like the middle of her life kind of in a way, I don't know it's kind of a strange way to organize the resume. 499 01:22:24.830 --> 01:22:32.690 jamiebraun: And there's also a lot of like formatting things that are strange about it, like sometimes he's using bullets to explain stuff other times she's not. 500 01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:35.390 jamiebraun: yeah. 501 01:22:35.480 --> 01:22:41.390 jamiebraun: It was just weird formatting and again kind of the same problem with the last one is very dense you can probably. 502 01:22:42.320 --> 01:22:50.600 jamiebraun: Focus things a little better without because she's saying like like a lot of vague I managed this without actually telling me what she managed, like all these. 503 01:22:51.440 --> 01:23:01.400 jamiebraun: Like dots are essentially the same thing, like he said it's all like I managed X, with no like explanation of what they actually did so it's kind of a strange way, to put it. 504 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:04.700 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Definitely yeah no I agree completely. 505 01:23:06.980 --> 01:23:08.270 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Any other comments. 506 01:23:12.050 --> 01:23:23.570 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: nope all right, why don't we i'll stop there, so I really like this beginning section again kind of like a skills section, especially if you've. 507 01:23:23.870 --> 01:23:33.590 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you've been working a long time and you've done lots of different types of things, something like this is kind of a neat way to organize, so this is nice. 508 01:23:34.160 --> 01:23:44.810 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But what's really weird about this is this education section is in the middle of page two which makes no sense for folks who come from academia. 509 01:23:45.890 --> 01:23:56.030 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And they have backgrounds like yours, you always want education, right up in the beginning that's a really important part you're all really smart and you want to demonstrate that and have that right there. 510 01:23:57.110 --> 01:24:08.990 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Also, you notice these dates all have months and years, and you don't need your months, and these dates always work better, if you can move them to the right. 511 01:24:09.410 --> 01:24:17.660 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Rather than having this sort of prime real estate right at the beginning of the pay, you know the line on the left side. 512 01:24:18.440 --> 01:24:32.840 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You notice there's no consistency and we heard that was pointed out so just the way these are organized they're not all organized the same so this part, this one is consultant to airplane research institute, but what is the. 513 01:24:33.890 --> 01:24:43.790 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, like here we've got the place and bold and then here we've got their job in bold on page two if we go forward. 514 01:24:44.360 --> 01:24:51.470 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, different things are bolted than should be each time and in some places, nothing is bolted, which doesn't make a lot of sense. 515 01:24:52.040 --> 01:25:07.640 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: They have information about what the company is like unix has etc or mosaic is you don't need that on there obviously people can look that up to be fair, these are slightly slightly older resume but still that wouldn't have been necessary. 516 01:25:10.280 --> 01:25:19.610 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: On this page oh here's the one I was looking for a usgs you notice there's no title up here what this person did at the usgs What was their job title. 517 01:25:19.970 --> 01:25:28.280 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So obviously you want to keep that consistency, because the job title was in page one, so you want to be able to then have it on page two as well. 518 01:25:30.200 --> 01:25:36.920 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: We find that like here there's no space, you want to again remain consistent with your spacing as well. 519 01:25:37.880 --> 01:25:48.290 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: This person really is, you know Karen smokes is the name, she really is a rock star there, this is a phenomenal background she's done a little bit of everything. 520 01:25:48.890 --> 01:25:57.170 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: it's just organized really badly and, sadly, you know you can have a phenomenal resume but if it's not organized well it's not going to get you anywhere. 521 01:25:58.070 --> 01:26:04.010 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You notice undergrad research there's a lot of really great skills listed in here. 522 01:26:04.460 --> 01:26:16.220 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So it would be really good to have a great skills section at the end, demonstrating all of these skills that she has otherwise they might get buried and an employer may not see those. 523 01:26:16.550 --> 01:26:26.570 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So even if your skills are within your resume you still want to maybe list them at the end and a separate skills section, just so they know where to look for it. 524 01:26:28.250 --> 01:26:45.170 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Also, I would say it's always good to use numbers you notice it's got this research assistant and she's got the number three down here remember always throw numbers into your resume because you're the eye of the the employer will be drawn right to those numbers. 525 01:26:46.190 --> 01:26:51.980 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And I like this section in the back the grant writing and public lecture are these are really cool. 526 01:26:52.490 --> 01:27:05.240 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But it's again it's a weird or the organization is really strange and this publications omitted, you know, obviously you don't need to say you're going to MIT your publications they're not there, so they know they're omitted right. 527 01:27:06.140 --> 01:27:10.460 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So this could be done quite a bit differently, I would say. 528 01:27:12.050 --> 01:27:21.380 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So any other questions before I move on to the next one, I have somewhere we're going to see an older resume and then a better one, and just a few minutes, did you have a question Sydney. 529 01:27:25.820 --> 01:27:29.210 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Hopes I can't hear you, you have to unmute I think. 530 01:27:30.290 --> 01:27:31.370 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I do it all the time. 531 01:27:35.630 --> 01:27:37.370 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: whoops I still can't hear you know. 532 01:27:38.900 --> 01:27:42.860 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Maybe I have my headphones have a funny button on them talk again. 533 01:27:47.300 --> 01:27:53.330 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: No, I still can't hear you bummer type it in the chat and i'll be happy to answer it there. 534 01:27:54.530 --> 01:27:59.060 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I have my headphones have a button on them, and sometimes I forget that I have to press the button. 535 01:28:00.590 --> 01:28:02.960 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: anyone else have a question about this resume. 536 01:28:07.280 --> 01:28:20.720 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: know and i'll wait just a second while Sydney types her question in and then we'll move on, so we'll see some resumes in just a minute, where you see you know, an organization that's maybe not as good and then one that's a bit better. 537 01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:25.820 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Sydney said her computer has issues i'm sorry. 538 01:28:30.020 --> 01:28:35.210 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Alright well i'm going to go ahead and move on Sydney but feel free to type your question, or if you don't want to you can. 539 01:28:35.420 --> 01:28:41.840 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Well, yes, you can unmute I was going to say Oh, you could unmute and ask it but that's exactly what you're trying to do and that's not working. 540 01:28:42.470 --> 01:28:58.700 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So we'll go ahead and about formatting I have a yellow border on mine, I would say that is too distracting definitely I would leave colors off and try to keep it, you know black and white and very sort of business looking. 541 01:28:59.810 --> 01:29:02.810 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: It try to remove anything excess that you don't need. 542 01:29:05.120 --> 01:29:23.720 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: All right, so here is our first resume where we'll see you know, the first view and then we're going to move on to a second view so we're going to do 30 seconds on Janet tangents and again, not a real person clearly so i'm going to go ahead and start now. 543 01:29:55.640 --> 01:29:57.590 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Alright that's 30 seconds. 544 01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:01.670 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So what do you think about this resume. 545 01:30:06.470 --> 01:30:21.350 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: will be really, really good if the dates are on the right hand side of the page yeah there is a lot of white space here so popping those dates to the right would really help, and then you could flush those jobs out a little bit more as well if you wanted to. 546 01:30:23.300 --> 01:30:24.590 Any other comments. 547 01:30:28.280 --> 01:30:32.540 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: What about that heading experience does that tell you much of anything. 548 01:30:35.360 --> 01:30:40.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: No, not really do you know what type of job Janet is looking for. 549 01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:49.550 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah we don't really know here, we know she did teaching, research worked in a lab a genealogist. 550 01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:57.710 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know she's well educated she's got an Ms but what type of job does she want I don't know I can't really tell. 551 01:31:01.010 --> 01:31:02.090 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Anything else. 552 01:31:07.400 --> 01:31:15.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I think those are probably the the primary take home points is that this is really tough to read nothing really stands out. 553 01:31:15.890 --> 01:31:27.650 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: These job descriptions are kind of boring, you know, like it says, you know laboratory work well great you know but it's sometimes it's nice to go into more detail, like this one under research assistant. 554 01:31:28.100 --> 01:31:37.850 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, you could again use those active verbs to make things sounds better and then again, we have no idea what she wants to do. 555 01:31:38.720 --> 01:31:48.320 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So if we move on this is Janet tangent sort of rediscovered and so now we see right at the top there's that objective sentence. 556 01:31:48.860 --> 01:31:58.220 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Education is right up there honors and awards, so we know she's well educated she's got honors This is great, it looks really good technical experience as a heading. 557 01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:08.510 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So I know that her background is going to be technical and My guess is she's probably looking for a job in that area, but I can confirm that, by looking at her objective sentence. 558 01:32:09.110 --> 01:32:15.740 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I like the way this is formatted as well, you notice there's not a lot of white space all those dates have been popped over to the right. 559 01:32:16.280 --> 01:32:28.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And we have a lot more space, then for the description of each job, the way I have mine organized is, I have a title of a job, like say technical consultant, for example. 560 01:32:28.940 --> 01:32:37.370 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And then, a comma, and the place where I work, so you don't need the location anymore, you can leave that off if you want, especially if you're applying. 561 01:32:38.000 --> 01:32:49.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: further away and not right next to where you live, you don't need those places I would leave those off so that way your job, and your title can fit on and the date all right on one line. 562 01:32:50.120 --> 01:33:02.810 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Then I have a couple sentences that are left and right justified underneath the job anything really cool that I did I use bullets for so employers love to know that you. 563 01:33:03.620 --> 01:33:13.730 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: did some research you analyzed it you presented it to the scientific community afterwards so under this research assistant job, for example. 564 01:33:14.060 --> 01:33:18.440 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: in mind, I would have a couple of sentences that are left and right justified. 565 01:33:18.950 --> 01:33:28.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And then, a bullet for anything cool I did so, you know, a bullet that says, you know you might talk about the research, you did, but then maybe a bullet that says. 566 01:33:28.430 --> 01:33:40.040 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, presented this research at you know such and such a meeting and maybe list the session to show that you know again employers want to know you can get something done. 567 01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:54.560 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So the fact that you did research you analyzed it and you presented it is awesome that you want to highlight that to show employers that you have that follow through so make sure that you include that in there. 568 01:33:56.150 --> 01:34:01.670 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: i'd like this skill section down at the bottom as well remember, as I said, even if you've got the your skills. 569 01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:15.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: In your job description try to have them down at the bottom as well, so it's really clear to employers so for 30 seconds, if we were to look at this we get a pretty good idea of who this person is and what type of job they want. 570 01:34:18.080 --> 01:34:31.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So let's move on to William DAS, so this is a CV again this is real, this is a real person you'll notice some odd in consistencies which we'll talk about in a few minutes. 571 01:34:31.580 --> 01:34:43.010 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So we have one, two, I think pages yep two pages for William dos so we'll do 30 seconds for page one starting right now. 572 01:35:16.490 --> 01:35:24.560 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Alright that's 30 seconds, so now we're going to move on to page two and we'll do another 30 seconds. 573 01:36:01.850 --> 01:36:14.090 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Alright that's our 30 seconds so i'm going to go back to page one for William DAS, so what would you say are some problems with this CV. 574 01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:24.950 jamiebraun: One that kind of stands out to me is that he has his social security number on there, which I think is kind of funny. 575 01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:26.600 jamiebraun: yeah the past corner. 576 01:36:28.550 --> 01:36:41.090 jamiebraun: And then we kind of talked about this last one, but the formatting on the left, having the did the dates like that is kind of strange I don't know if maybe that will work better for a CV than it would for resume it's not as. 577 01:36:42.290 --> 01:36:47.930 jamiebraun: annoying on this one, I guess it wasn't the last one, and then there's some weird formatting stuff like it has. 578 01:36:48.980 --> 01:37:00.470 jamiebraun: Like the professional experience and positions held they're really close together and it kind of almost looks like it says positions held in the colon professional experience so maybe that is kind of an issue, maybe just put a space or something there. 579 01:37:00.770 --> 01:37:08.840 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah yeah definitely and so and I heard Derek also said too much white space, and I would agree with that, for sure so. 580 01:37:10.040 --> 01:37:18.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I don't think you need months on this, I know this is a CV you want more information you don't have to have them if you want to put them that's fine. 581 01:37:18.770 --> 01:37:27.470 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But again, they should all be to the right, you know, the most important thing we're just used to always looking on the left side of the page first, and so you really want. 582 01:37:28.730 --> 01:37:36.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know the job title and so forth, to be on the left, clearly the social security on here is an issue. 583 01:37:36.920 --> 01:37:43.010 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: The reason this is on here is because it's not clear if this person is a citizen of the US or not. 584 01:37:43.610 --> 01:37:59.270 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so I think it was under Oh, here we go under other relevant studies, you see some studies in France, and so this individual wanted to make it clear that they were a citizen of the US, if any of you are looking at applying to other countries. 585 01:37:59.690 --> 01:38:00.830 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Every country. 586 01:38:01.550 --> 01:38:10.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Usually, so the European Union as a whole has a format that they use for their resumes, which is very different than our format. 587 01:38:10.940 --> 01:38:29.120 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Their format their pages are always eight and a half by 14 rather than eight and a half by 11 they also put pictures on all their resumes as well, and we don't do that here so it's important to be familiar with, where you're applying and what their format of their resumes would be. 588 01:38:30.680 --> 01:38:38.630 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: For example, social security number, you know you would if you'd looked at lots of other resumes from the US, you would know that you don't want to have that on there. 589 01:38:39.320 --> 01:38:47.270 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You don't want any sensitive information on your resume at all, you should not have, date of birth, no one should know how old you are. 590 01:38:47.810 --> 01:38:58.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: a place of birth, you don't need to have clearly you would want to say if you're whether you're a citizen or not, if, for example, if this job was going to be with the Federal Government. 591 01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:08.450 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And you needed to verify that you're a US citizen or maybe indicate what type of a visa, you have, then you would certainly put that on but that's all you would need there. 592 01:39:11.210 --> 01:39:24.710 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Then I think, also for for everyone, but you know for women, in particular, sometimes when you're in an interview they might ask you a question that maybe you're not comfortable with you know Oh, are you married. 593 01:39:25.100 --> 01:39:32.030 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Do you have children and and surprisingly, they tend to ask those questions to women more than they do to men. 594 01:39:32.570 --> 01:39:46.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: i'm not sure why neither of those are legal you don't have to answer those you can always get around it by my way would be to joke, I like to joke about everything, so you know, do you have children, oh you sound like my mother in law. 595 01:39:48.020 --> 01:39:57.230 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Or you turn it to back to them, you know, are you married Oh, you know yeah love to have fun, are you married you know just turn it around and ask them do you have children turn it around oh. 596 01:39:57.650 --> 01:40:13.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know kids are great do you have kids and you can avoid answering these questions and sort of moving on to avoid those so try to be familiar with what is legal and what is not legal so. 597 01:40:14.180 --> 01:40:23.540 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: let's see what else i've got here so we're taking out all of our personal data on this sometimes these I find these underlines. 598 01:40:23.930 --> 01:40:30.890 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: really difficult or even lines going across an entire page separating a resume into chunks. 599 01:40:31.430 --> 01:40:40.460 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, I think it really breaks it up and it's harder to read so remember if I look at this 30 seconds, where is my I drawn. 600 01:40:40.910 --> 01:40:50.840 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So my eye is drawn to professional experience and education, because they're bold, but also all those underlines my eye is drawn to those as well. 601 01:40:51.230 --> 01:41:02.660 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So kind of think about again how you organize and what's bold and what's underlined are things that are going to be attention will be drawn to those and you want to make sure it's important information. 602 01:41:05.120 --> 01:41:14.750 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so now if we move on to page two this section is a lot better I like how you know they've got their professional memberships their honors and awards. 603 01:41:15.410 --> 01:41:31.100 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: honors and awards can certainly go right up in the beginning, under education, but if you have a pretty large section, like this one sometimes it's better if it's down towards the bottom, so that you can get right into the jobs that you've held on that first page. 604 01:41:32.390 --> 01:41:44.510 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So now, if we do this individual re invented, this is a one page now CV obviously this curriculum vitae that can come out. 605 01:41:45.050 --> 01:41:50.960 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: This person wants to indicate that there are a citizen in the US or, as I said, if you want to have either citizenship or. 606 01:41:51.650 --> 01:42:02.120 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Visa type that can be listed right up top we've got this nice education section, so we know that this is an important you know they're smart individual PhD we see here. 607 01:42:02.630 --> 01:42:11.330 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And then I see teaching and research and again this is how my resume is set up where i've got it by sections teaching experience. 608 01:42:11.600 --> 01:42:20.780 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Research experience field experience you can separate those out so very quickly, I can look at this and see this person has done. 609 01:42:21.080 --> 01:42:31.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Research they've done a bit of teaching they've got a PhD there a citizen of the US, these are all the things that have popped out right away so Those are all really, really important. 610 01:42:32.600 --> 01:42:42.470 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So any questions at this point about this resume, so this is actually everything I have we have you know 10 minutes or so left. 611 01:42:43.580 --> 01:42:51.470 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Do you have questions that I can answer for you and, as I said, my you saw my contact information, let me go. 612 01:42:51.890 --> 01:43:00.170 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: To the top close your eyes, so you don't get dizzy while I scroll scroll scroll through all of this back up top to my contact information. 613 01:43:00.890 --> 01:43:14.810 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I should add, it at the end there to make this easier, here we go so i'm a program officer with GSA and you see my email there and i'd put it in the chats as well, so any questions that I can answer for you. 614 01:43:16.070 --> 01:43:20.570 When you say on your on the resumes that objective. 615 01:43:21.620 --> 01:43:28.580 What are you how important is that because, from my experience, I always do like a cover letter. 616 01:43:29.810 --> 01:43:40.520 Derek Thorn: And then below that I send a package of the cover letter that talks about my experiences in more detail, and then on my resume behind that mm hmm. 617 01:43:42.500 --> 01:43:55.670 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And I think I think that would be fine if you know again if you're trying to save on space and that cover letter makes it really clear I think that's fine Okay, because they will look at your cover letter so they'll have an idea. 618 01:43:57.050 --> 01:44:07.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know it never hurts, to have a sentence there, and you know actually one of the things so sometimes if you meet with a say, like a career coach. 619 01:44:08.090 --> 01:44:16.430 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Some universities have an academic careers office, where you can go and talk to folks and they'll spend some time. 620 01:44:16.790 --> 01:44:27.830 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Helping you work out a really, really good strong objective sentence, you know, one that sort of quickly says, you know who you are what your interests are what type of job you want. 621 01:44:28.400 --> 01:44:35.870 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Once we're back in person, again, one of the things that i've seen that's really cool is after you come up with a really good objective sentence. 622 01:44:36.200 --> 01:44:46.040 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: is, if you do a business card, you know it could have your contact information if you do a business card that you're going to hand out that has information about you. 623 01:44:46.790 --> 01:44:54.200 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You can often put your picture on those two i've gotten ones from students that have a photo which is super cool because I know I remember who I talked to. 624 01:44:54.620 --> 01:45:03.500 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And i've actually seen business cards where they've got their photo and some contact info on the front you flip it over and then they've got highlights from their resume on the back. 625 01:45:03.950 --> 01:45:11.600 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: or they've got their objective sentence on the back that they've spent a bit of time working on, to make sure it's really good and thorough. 626 01:45:12.020 --> 01:45:22.880 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So you know if you go to a meeting like this and we're in person, which will happen eventually here, then you could go up and as you're networking, then you could leave a card with someone. 627 01:45:25.970 --> 01:45:32.870 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: And so I think that answered your question there, so I would say that you know, an objective sentences really good to have. 628 01:45:33.320 --> 01:45:43.460 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you are don't have the space for it and it's really clear in your cover letter you can certainly leave it out, but it's still good to develop a good car good objective sentence. 629 01:45:47.060 --> 01:45:48.560 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Any other questions. 630 01:45:53.930 --> 01:45:54.260 No. 631 01:45:56.360 --> 01:45:57.650 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Did you have a question Sydney. 632 01:46:00.710 --> 01:46:02.270 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Oh, I still can't hear you. 633 01:46:06.500 --> 01:46:07.610 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I see a phone. 634 01:46:10.670 --> 01:46:14.630 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: All right, well, if you don't have any other questions, we can go ahead and finish up now. 635 01:46:15.410 --> 01:46:21.170 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: If you want to hang out and talk to me feel free to do that i'm happy to answer your questions, if you want to wait and. 636 01:46:21.710 --> 01:46:32.930 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: You know, in a week a month, a year come find me at a meeting I go to GSA is the annual meeting, which is every fall usually in October and I go to all the section meetings. 637 01:46:33.410 --> 01:46:40.460 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: i'm here to help you as a resource so anytime you need help with anything, or you have questions come see me i'm always here to help. 638 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:48.710 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So thank you, we do have a mentor program today, so I hope if you get a moment to pop into that you'll take advantage of that. 639 01:46:52.520 --> 01:46:52.850 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Oh. 640 01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:54.860 jamiebraun: My goodness, it was helpful, I appreciate it. 641 01:46:55.220 --> 01:46:58.580 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Oh good Jamie i'm glad to hear that, thank you, thank you. 642 01:47:00.920 --> 01:47:01.640 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Thank you. 643 01:47:01.700 --> 01:47:03.020 Sidney Swearingen: Thank you, can you hear me now. 644 01:47:03.260 --> 01:47:05.780 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: I can, I can I saw it did you call it. 645 01:47:06.140 --> 01:47:07.160 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: So smart. 646 01:47:07.250 --> 01:47:16.700 Sidney Swearingen: I yeah I called it, I keep getting the notification that my connection is unstable, but I think it's fine to finally figure it out yeah. 647 01:47:17.630 --> 01:47:21.590 Sidney Swearingen: yeah cool well, thank you, this was really helpful yeah. 648 01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:23.390 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Are you presenting it all Sydney. 649 01:47:24.980 --> 01:47:31.520 Sidney Swearingen: I, yes I present to 3230 my time will to 25 my time good. 650 01:47:31.550 --> 01:47:32.660 Sidney Swearingen: Which is so good fun. 651 01:47:32.990 --> 01:47:36.740 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: All those sessions are going to be in zoom just like this, and so you might. 652 01:47:36.800 --> 01:47:39.680 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Get that phone ready to go it's good you got to practice. 653 01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:43.310 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Actually, because then when you're presenting you'll have it right there already ready. 654 01:47:44.480 --> 01:47:48.770 Sidney Swearingen: yeah no i'm glad that I know that this is an issue yeah. 655 01:47:49.310 --> 01:47:49.610 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah. 656 01:47:49.670 --> 01:47:52.070 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: But this work perfect I can hear you without a problem. 657 01:47:52.070 --> 01:47:52.340 Now. 658 01:47:53.690 --> 01:47:57.440 Sidney Swearingen: cool alright well, thank you, of course, of course, i'm. 659 01:47:57.440 --> 01:47:58.310 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: happy to help. 660 01:47:59.690 --> 01:48:02.780 Sidney Swearingen: You may be getting an email with my resume later today. 661 01:48:03.410 --> 01:48:05.630 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Excellent yeah i'd be happy to take a look at. 662 01:48:05.630 --> 01:48:13.400 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: It and I have for the meeting i'll be busy all day today and tomorrow, but next week i'll definitely look at those and get back with some comments. 663 01:48:15.170 --> 01:48:17.630 Sidney Swearingen: awesome sounds good, thank you. 664 01:48:19.640 --> 01:48:21.500 Sidney Swearingen: Thank you bye bye bye. 665 01:48:22.130 --> 01:48:24.080 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Any other questions caitlin. 666 01:48:24.470 --> 01:48:26.510 Caitlyn Herron: No, I just wanted to say thank you, this was great. 667 01:48:27.320 --> 01:48:29.900 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Thank you so much for coming I really appreciate it. 668 01:48:29.930 --> 01:48:31.940 Caitlyn Herron: Good luck to you, thank you. 669 01:48:35.570 --> 01:48:39.140 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Thank you again you're welcome thanks for joining me Derek. 670 01:48:39.980 --> 01:48:40.730 Derek Thorn: thanks for having me. 671 01:48:41.180 --> 01:48:44.870 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Good luck and feel free to forward on your resume if you'd like okay. 672 01:48:45.590 --> 01:48:46.400 Derek Thorn: I will thank you. 673 01:48:46.730 --> 01:48:48.710 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Wonderful thanks have a great day. 674 01:48:49.910 --> 01:48:50.540 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: bye. 675 01:48:57.290 --> 01:48:58.250 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Are you still there. 676 01:49:10.130 --> 01:49:10.790 Confex Tech Support Seth (he/him/his): i'm still here. 677 01:49:12.980 --> 01:49:14.930 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: text That said, we can end. 678 01:49:16.220 --> 01:49:19.640 Confex Tech Support Seth (he/him/his): Okay, so I thought it was looking like you guys are wrapping up so. 679 01:49:19.670 --> 01:49:24.410 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: yeah yeah so are you doing the sleeman mentor program in an hour. 680 01:49:26.150 --> 01:49:28.400 Confex Tech Support Seth (he/him/his): Let me see i'm. 681 01:49:28.430 --> 01:49:37.610 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: pretty sure it's starts let's see it's nine my time, I think it starts at 10 so i'll be in there in you know 20 minutes before. 682 01:49:40.970 --> 01:49:45.200 Confex Tech Support Seth (he/him/his): Lehman mentor program I do that's the next one that I start yep. 683 01:49:45.260 --> 01:49:49.490 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Okay fantastic so i'll See you in about 40 minutes okay. 684 01:49:50.090 --> 01:49:51.110 Confex Tech Support Seth (he/him/his): we'll see you then. 685 01:49:51.440 --> 01:49:53.030 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: Wonderful thanks so much. 686 01:49:53.660 --> 01:49:55.000 RISE Jennifer Nocerino: bye bye. 687